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Peacephrog1972

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Having been around psychs for over 20 years, I have seen a lot, but now with all these RC's out there and shulgins baby's the game has seemed to change.
I guess my question is is there any psychs that will permenately fry your brain when taken in substantial doses. Like I know some kids from dead tour who screwed family over and they got hit with a insane amount of LSD and are permafried. Like in a bad way, barely functional humans. I know with the phen's you really can't do that because high doses of them will just straight kill you. But tryp's are different, high doses won't do that.
Is there any others out there that will permafry you if given a large enough dose?
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
Having been around psychs for over 20 years, I have seen a lot, but now with all these RC's out there and shulgins baby's the game has seemed to change.
I guess my question is is there any psychs that will permenately fry your brain when taken in substantial doses. Like I know some kids from dead tour who screwed family over and they got hit with a insane amount of LSD and are permafried. Like in a bad way, barely functional humans. I know with the phen's you really can't do that because high doses of them will just straight kill you. But tryp's are different, high doses won't do that.
Is there any others out there that will permafry you if given a large enough dose?
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A large overdose of any drug can potentially cause brain damage, even "safe" psychedelics like LSD.

RC's are definitely amongst the riskiest drugs you can take because their effects are less well understood. However after sufficient research, it may turn out that some of these new designer drugs are even safer than LSD. At this time, no one knows - and that's the risk.

The NBOMe series is looking a bit troublesome right now - a lot of negative reports and quite a few deaths - but infrequent use of normal doses of RC psychedelics is unlikely to be very dangerous. Just look at Mr. Shulgin! And he's certainly not the only RC experimenter out there.

On the other hand, frequent use of overly large doses of any drug, RC or not, is very dangerous. I guess the point is: don't do stupidly large doses of anything.
 
LSD will not cause brain damage in high doses, actually contrary to popular belief many recreational drugs will not cause brain damage in high doses.
It seems to be dependent on the person and how their brain responds to psychedelics.
It seems that some people's brains cannot handle the extreme stresses that high doses of psychedelics can cause
 
There are stories of people taking 100+mg doses of LSD back in the 60's and they supposedly turned out okay, again it depends on the person.
Some people can handle it, some people can't.
The thing is that with 250mg of LSD your receptors would have been saturated far before that point, so the extra LSD would only serve to prolong the duration
It also depends on the nature of the experience, if they have a really bad trip that lasts 24+ hours then that could be very traumatic.
Any traumatic event can cause people's minds to break but it is not the drug directly causing the mental break.
On the other hand if they either had a good experience or were immediately and strongly sedated for the duration of the trip I doubt they would suffer any damage at all.
 
What precisely do you mean by "fry your brain"?

I mean you're unlikely to go to a doctor's office and come back with a diagnosis of, "I'm sorry sir, but it appears that your brain is fried."
 
I'm talking permantely spun out. I know a kid who got hit with an unknown amount of L, and by his recollection couldn't talk for weeks. It was several years after the fact when I talked with him and he just wasn't right. Problems with speech, memory, just messed up.
 
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What other drugs has he been taking for the last 20 years? Does he drink? That's far more likely to cause the kind of problems with memory.

As for one hit of acid causing those problems - absolutely zero chance. LSD is non-toxic and is pissed out of the system after what - 24 hours max?

You tend to get a lot of people saying these kinds of stories because it sounds more romantic and glamourous than the truth. "He took acid once and was never the same" sounds more dramatic than "He smokes pot and drinks all day, watches daytime TV, never reads or exercises and was pretty stupid to begin with - after 20 years what do you think he'll sound like?"
 
Ismene hit the nail right on the head. I've never met someone mentally messed up from psychedelics who didn't have serious issues to begin with.

As an example, my brother in law used to eat absurd quantities of LSD. On one occasion he ate half a sheet at once. He's absolutely fine.
 


I guess the general medical consensus is that there's no permanent damage done due to lsd. But I did meet a guy who spilled a bottle of acid over his arm, he said it took him a few weeks to sort of recover from that but that he's not felt right ever since. Whether it's physiological or psychological damage doesn't really matter, perceived damage is damage to that person...
 
I have to chime in and say that I personally know a few people that are permanently spun, or mostly retarded depending on how one views it. Some did it to themselves, and were poly-drug addicts, or mentally defective to begin with, others made poor choices and people got angry with them.

HolyToast, with all due respect, have you ever met anyone who intentionally or not consumed 250mg LSD? They are not "normal".

These stories are not urban legend, they are real. It is different from a user who takes a sheet a month for a year and developers psychosis. We are taking seasoned vets who get bent by a huge dose. It happens, it's real.
 
Thank you turkey ranch...now that i have someones attention on this being a real deal thing (i have met them also) is there any other drugs that when after taking an absurdly large amount at once will permafry you?
 
I'm not saying people haven't taken LSD hasn't caused people to have mental breaks, I never once said that.
I did say, however, that LSD has never been shown to cause brain damage even in very high doses.
As well I am willing to bet money that there are people who have taken large amounts of LSD (250mg is likely to kill you though) and turned out okay.
I'm saying that the LSD experience, if it's that powerful and that long, can be difficult for the vast majority of the population and most can't take it.
It's akin to someone having a very traumatic experience, ie. being raped or witnessing a murder, and having a mental break as well.

This also doesn't exclude the fact that other factors are very likely at play, whether it be latent mental disorders or a history of anxiety/depression among other things
It's different to say that someone can take LSD and never be the same after and to say that LSD itself has neurotoxic properties in extreme doses.
 
Anything can ruin some people psychologically tho can't it - some people get sacked at the post office and go back and shoot dead the entire office. Does that mean getting sacked is a big deal? Some people get dumped by their girlfriend and go back and decapitate her with a machette. Does that mean getting a girlfriend is a bad thing?

Some people will do the wierdest things - that doesn't mean I, or you, will. Don't just assume that because it happened to some fucktard that means it can happen to you. Life doesn't work that way.
 
TurkeyRanch said:
I have to chime in and say that I personally know a few people that are permanently spun, or mostly retarded depending on how one views it. Some did it to themselves, and were poly-drug addicts, or mentally defective to begin with, others made poor choices and people got angry with them.

HolyToast, with all due respect, have you ever met anyone who intentionally or not consumed 250mg LSD? They are not "normal".

These stories are not urban legend, they are real. It is different from a user who takes a sheet a month for a year and developers psychosis. We are taking seasoned vets who get bent by a huge dose. It happens, it's real.
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I've also heard about this happening.

I know someone who did take a very large dose of LSD decades ago when the drug was legal. They told me how they did not hallucinate or trip at all; but I know they do not have a brain chemistry like normal people do. But they're not "permafried", or "permatripping", etc. They do have some memory issues but that could be related to age.
 
Ismene said:
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What other drugs has he been taking for the last 20 years? Does he drink? That's far more likely to cause the kind of problems with memory.

As for one hit of acid causing those problems - absolutely zero chance. LSD is non-toxic and is pissed out of the system after what - 24 hours max?

You tend to get a lot of people saying these kinds of stories because it sounds more romantic and glamourous than the truth. "He took acid once and was never the same" sounds more dramatic than "He smokes pot and drinks all day, watches daytime TV, never reads or exercises and was pretty stupid to begin with - after 20 years what do you think he'll sound like?"
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That last part in quotes is a laugh%)
 
Zeeman said:
A large overdose of any drug can potentially cause brain damage, even "safe" psychedelics like LSD.
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This is just utter bullshit. Can anyone actually back this up besides "I knew this guy it happened to, though I didn't actually evaluate him medically or have knowledge of any other factors"?

That's what I thought.
 
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