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Reports on PARGY-LAD (newly offered lysergamide)?

but I see no reason for this product not to be as genuine as the Al-Lad many of us now know & love.
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For reasons that are not allowed to be mentioned here I can tell you that this is completely wrong. Also this small, rather unknown vendor already stopped selling "PARGY-LAD". Shortest scam since "REC"!
 
roi said:
For reasons that are not allowed to be mentioned here I can tell you that this is completely wrong. Also this small, rather unknown vendor already stopped selling "PARGY-LAD". Shortest scam since "REC"!
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ouch! Glad I added that caveat at the bottom of my post.
 
roi said:
For reasons that are not allowed to be mentioned here I can tell you that this is completely wrong. Also this small, rather unknown vendor already stopped selling "PARGY-LAD". Shortest scam since "REC"!
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I'm optimistic about it, but we'll see!
 
Unless you tried it yourself or you've seen a first hand reliable report you can't just call scam. I've seen your SoS posts and they don't provide any definitive proof unless you just posted some. Is it probably a scam, yeah, do we know it's a scam, not yet...
 
If it would be that easy to produce lysergamides, don't you think that much bigger vendors would do it already? ;)

Also the fact that they already stopped selling it pretty much is the best possibly indicator for a scam.
 
Sure but it's not out of this world. You don't know what sort of lab connections they have, so judging them solely by the fact that their smaller is silly. I've known many vendors who could've had thousands of customers and had rarities abound, they just wanted to stay low key. Also you don't know why they stopped maybe their out of stock. I'm not attempting to dispute that it is most likely a scam but I'll go back and forth all day when it's simple speculation someone is trying to make fact. I don't really want people to waste any money but it's up to them to decide whether they wanted to buy it or not... Oh and lastly who said they produced it? Quite clearly they would have had a lab or a custom synth lab do it for them(yeah yeah I know about the difficulty, just sayin').
 
I am not a chemist, but I did read someplace that Pargy-Lad is actually not the most complicated of lysergide syntheses.

I had some very clever, educated folk pore scorn upon my declaration that I tried Al-Lad last year, when it had only just appeared, & I read alot of "must be a scam" type posts in various parts of the RC net. It turned out that the vendor is/was genuine & it's well accepted that Al-Lad has been around for well over a year now. The old "small vendor couldn't possibly have produce Al-Lad" is being propogated again. Not exactly evidence, is it?

Yes, nontheless, this could be a scam. could!
 
Well, at least it's safe to say that we're all dying to know..

I'll argue that it's not a scam.

Suppose it's real. It costs roughly 4x as much to produce doses of PARGY-LAD as it does to produce AL-LAD. So if someone synthed it, it would be a small batch done for the sake of climbing that mountain and sharing a new psychedelic with the universe. It wouldn't be as good a business move as making al-lad, so it would need to be a small batch. And if it was a small batch, it would be sold out quickly and might never show up again.

If it was a scam, why would they be "out of stock"? If I was a scammer, I'd keep it going as long as possible.
 
I am surprised at how quickly it disappeared. But then, such was the story with many previous AL-LAD batches, apparently being sold out in a matter of days. This could be a marketing trick of course...if not, I expect a bunch of trip reports to emerge.
 
perpetualdawn said:
Well, at least it's safe to say that we're all dying to know..

I'll argue that it's not a scam.

Suppose it's real. It costs roughly 4x as much to produce doses of PARGY-LAD as it does to produce AL-LAD. So if someone synthed it, it would be a small batch done for the sake of climbing that mountain and sharing a new psychedelic with the universe. It wouldn't be as good a business move as making al-lad, so it would need to be a small batch. And if it was a small batch, it would be sold out quickly and might never show up again.

If it was a scam, why would they be "out of stock"? If I was a scammer, I'd keep it going as long as possible.
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Doubt it's a scam...their safeorscam score is too high.
 
kman1898 said:
Doubt it's a scam...their safeorscam score is too high.
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That's what I was thinking. Only other possibility I can think of is that they unintentionally received a bunk batch, and it went out of stock quickly because they realized this fact and removed it. It's all speculation at this point.
 
SoS is not always indicative. There's a certainly terrible Chinese lab that comes to mind..Anyway we will know soon as more than one user reports they have sent samples for analysis.
 
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The vendor isn't a scam, they have a strong fanbase and have been around for a while now. Reason they sold out so quick is because of the popularity of lysergamides at the moment. It was inevitable that when a new lysergamide appeared on the scene it would sell out pretty fast.

Good news though, they plan on having more stock on sale in the next few weeks.
 
It's driving me bonkers that in this entire planet of 7 billion no one has yet gotten lab results, or at least bioassayed this batch of PARGY-LAD (or at least no one's reporting on it)!

I saw your post in "that other forum" sandbwoy. Thanks for keeping the dialogue going on this, and for trying it out if you do go for it.

I definitely don't think the vendor is scamming intentionally (why would they flush their reputation down the toilet?), but I think it's possible that they've been misled into thinking that what they have is PARGY-LAD, when it's actually something else, say AL-LAD, LSZ, or a mixture of the two.

Like Si Ingwe said in the other thread, we just need to be patient here.. but it's hard!
 
... anyone in possession of the tabs & too wary to take them? Perfectly understandable. Thought about trying an easily obtained Ehrlich lysergide test!?

It may not prove the tabs are anything other than Al-Lad or LSz, but it might make the lucky few who have hold of Pargy-Lad tabs a little more confident about trying them. As Pargy-Lad is considerably weaker per microgram than Al, L, Lsz it's likely the result could be seen with less than a quarter of a tab. I used about a tenth of my Al-Lad tab to test & I got a distinctive result compared to the control I also used.

Give it a try someone! Any advice about how to use the test, come to me :) The instructions were non-existant on the pack I got.
 
ummmm UPDATE! I just found a post elsewhere on the net that suggest these tabs have been proven to be Al-Lad & LSz in combination. Clever fucker!

Disclaimer - One claim of scam is not definitive!

Is it legal to post a link to the Wedinos report? Please redact mods, if not -

http://wedinos.tripsit.me/result/W002653

Sample W002653

Date Received: 18/09/2014

Postcode: EX4
Purchase Intent: Legal LSD Analogue
Package Label: Not Stated
Sample Colour: White, Black
Sample Form: Blotter paper
Consumption Method: Oral
Self-Reported Effects: Not Stated
Sample Upon Analysis (Major): 6-allyl-6-nor-LSD, Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide
Sample Upon Analysis (Minor):
 
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Well that's a shame. I don't know what they were thinking trying to pull this off, but I suppose they've thought about it more than I have. They made a few bob on a small batch, and now it's all over for them. People can be so disappointing!

Ah well, let's hope Shulgin stopped at 500 for a reason.
 
You can certainly post wedinos reports and linking to other discussion forums is also ok if it doesnt break our other rules. :)
 
Thanks Trans :)

Yeah... kinda dissapointing, isn't it..? Fingers crossed, the real thing might appear sometime soon.
 
perpetualdawn said:
I think it's possible that they've been misled into thinking that what they have is PARGY-LAD, when it's actually something else, say AL-LAD, LSZ, or a mixture of the two.
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Ahem.. did I call it or did I call it? (JK I think that was just one of many speculations I spewed...)

Sigh... disappointed. Oh well, eth or pro-lad seem more promising anyways, I hope those get synthed.
 
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