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Responsible meth use

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psychonaut247

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Just wondering what input people might have on how to use this shit responsibly. One problem I have is that I don't understand irresponsible use. Other than staying up to the point of delirium or not eating and drinking I cant understand why everyone who uses regularly seems to have such shitty experiences. Plus with a daily dose of DXM actual chemical dependence is theoretically eliminated. Chemical dependence doesn't seem to be the issue here though because it doesn't seem too uncommon for tweekers to use on and off until they die not exactly in the way that heroin users do their thing. I guess I'm just stuck in a thought every hard drug user has had about feeling like that forever that nobody has found to be attainable. Maybe somebody can bring me out of that mindset but right now I'm having a harder time understanding how people manage to have their use end up so shitty than I am imagining sustainable and healthy use
 
If I'm understanding what your saying correctly, I guess it would depend on what your definition of 'responsible' is.. For example, some people may say that the fact that it's illegal makes using it irresponsible, or the fact that you're doing your body harm by not eating, not sleeping, etc.

Anyway, I would assume people have shitty experiences with meth for a few reasons, they could have a bad reaction to it, they could wind up addicted and/or craving more so they end up doing things they wouldn't normally do, or maybe they just got really realllly high and did some shit they wouldn't normally do.. I've been there..


Quick question, how and why does DXM cancel out dependence? I'm just not big on DXM or meth.
 
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It doesn't matter what you take with meth, unless it's 100mg of haldol or the equivalent of a strong ap, you'll get addicted if you use it regularly. Even then I'd be surprised if you don't become dependent. And I've come across at least fifteen studies concluding its neurotoxicity. If you find yourself using more than you originally stated you would, you have a problem.
 
I think im what they call a "functioning addict". Even when im one one (meth) i still manage to take care of myself and kids, work, pay rent and bills, eat, sleep, and not "pheen" for more dope. If thats what u mean by responsible then yes its possible. Maybe it all depends on the users mind set.
 
DXM is supposed to cancel out pretty much any drug tolerance something to do with NMDA receptors being involved in regulating levels of neurotransmitters/neurons or some weird shit I don't really understand but people say it works... well mostly its reported for opiates but its supposed to work with pretty much everything
 
Dependence is the wrong word here. There really is no physical dependence that goes along with meth use. Just highly psychologically addictive. Some people can handle it, some can't. Keep your doses low, try to avoid the pipe or the needle, and when you plan on stopping, fight however much of an urge you have to get more. Meth is just another amphetamine, and amphetamines (including methamphetamine under the brand name Desoxyn which is a shortened version of the name desoxyephedrine (another term used for meth as it's just l-ephedrine with a hydroxyl group reduced from it) are used medicinally for numerous things from weight-loss, to adhd, to narcolepsy, etc., and some people can handle these. The tricky bit with street meth though is that you're probably never using 5mg at a time, and as a stimulant it is a very fiendish drug. Put 100 hardcore meth addicts, 100 hardcore heroin addicts, and 100 hardcore alcoholics into a room and lock the door, you may have up to 4 heroin addict that die you'll probably have about 25 dead alcoholics on your hands, and after they get over being pissy about being out of drugs, as long as they don't kill each other, 100 meth addicts gorge themselves on food and pass out for a few days.
 
IMO, in order to use meth responsibly, you need to take some precautionary steps to do your mind and body a favor. Eat a balanced meal before dosing and after you're done, with a multivitamin. Drink tons of water while you're tweaking. Don't use any meth after maybe 3pm so that you can fall asleep at night. Don't go on crazy ass binges that call for a benzo to come down. You can very easily become cross-addicted. Occasionally using a benzo to take edge off legitimate anxiety is alright, as I do it too, but I feel much better the following morning if I just practice moderation and come down naturally. If you find that you always need a benzo to collect yourself during a comedown, it's not a good sign, you're using too heavily.
 
It's neurotoxic no matter what you do. Also, DXM causes lesions on your brain when used frequently.

As with anything, if it's simply a thing that you really like and have access to it, you'll think about it often and always have to weigh out in your head "Should I? Shouldn't I?". Something that could seemingly ALWAYS be an appropriate helper at any time, at work, school, home, partying, relaxing....that means you're going to be constantly having the internal debate of whether or not you should dose. That's almost entirely an "addict" way of thinking already! I won't even get into the whole "what happens to your kids if you get arrested for meth possession" realm, I would think that should be enough to convince a parent to steer clear!

Instead of using meth, seek out something less toxic, addicting, illegal and harmful but in some ways just as useful and satisfying, like.....kratom!
 
I would like to see where it says you will get lesions on the brain from DXM.

ANyway, i compare it do a drug thats socially acceptable, alchohol. There are some that can drink here and there or even every night with no problem. It doesnt effect there life or have any kind of negative impact. WOuld you call them an alchoholic. No. So why, even if someone partakes daily, are we so quick to call people addicts just because what they are using has been made illegal by a bunch of racist, old greedy bastards. Even more irony is how much worse alcohol is on the body than many drugs.

so you have one person that drinks 3-4 beers a night. Goes to work, pays bills, good family life as well as good relationships with others, and is generally a productive member of society. You take another person who is exactly the same except the only difference is replacing the beer with cocaine, heroin, or meth and immediately that person is labeled a strungout deadbeat that should have their kids taken away. Something is off with this way of thinking but thats what society does. They condemn the person that uses any kind of drug. They can lose everything.
 
Ho cho minh you say he's likely to become dependent and that goes along with what I wa about to say.. Why do people seem to think that meth and amps have a withdrawal!! This is crazy it's impossible and it's kind of a joke to me now that I've become a herion addict.. Phyc dependence is no joke the mind is powerful but come on you don't get physically sick comeing off of those types of drugs. There is a comedown and then a brief recovery period of a few days becasue it physically does take a toll on the body not eating lack of sleep high bp and heart rate for extended periods .. this is comeing from someone who was an amp guy for years useing daily for a lot of that time and now the last few years I have been I herion addict. sorry for a the rant but I've seen so many threads latly about people talking about being withdrawing from amps and meth and I wanted to make a statement on that based on my amps vs H experience .. Kicked amps easy actually got sick of em but this opiate addiction man .. I'll be luck if I can ever break this dependence
 
It affects everybody differently. To some, going from feeling like you're at the tip-top of existence, pissing down on the rest of everybody's miserable existances, back down to one of those you just pissed on can be kind of a downer.
 
^ no doubt man and I for one experience horrible comedowns which progressively got worse and worse after years of 5x a week of useing that low depressing comedown / recovery period followed by amp use is why led me to quit but it's certainly not a withdrawl / physical dependence ya know?
 
Personally I hated meth. It made me stay awake for nearly a week and I started seeing weird things. (Like streams of smoke rising from the floor all over that weren't really there.) I tried it, hated it, never did it again. I'm actually not big on uppers. They increase my anxiety. Different strokes, different folks...
 
Snakevillon said:
^ no doubt man and I for one experience horrible comedowns which progressively got worse and worse after years of 5x a week of useing that low depressing comedown / recovery period followed by amp use is why led me to quit but it's certainly not a withdrawl / physical dependence ya know?
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Yeah, I know, that's why you have to take those precautionary measures that I already talked about to avoid to avoid those days where you feel useless to the world. I've seen it in action. I've known guys who taught me those things that can make a gram last a whole week. I'm sure there's people that disagree, but that's what I'd call a functional addict.
 
DXM doesn't magically prevent addiction, and it certainly doesn't cancel an existing tolerance. If taken every day, it supposedly helps to slow the development of tolerance.

But in any case, amphetamines do not cause a physical dependence.

And I have met a few people who we're as "functionable" as could possibly be on meth. Of course, the vast majority we're grossly dysfunctional.

It's like any other drug, it overpowers most people, but some can use it responsibly.

And my god with the olney's legions. That has never even been proven in humans, and in any case, only happened to rats with chronic administration at very high doses, we are talking the kind of doses people trip on.

Come on man, if it was dangerous at recommended doses, it wouldn't be OTC.
 
Olney's lesions have never been observed in man.

The key to responsible meth use is dose control. If you can get by with less than 30mg a day, you have a fighting chance. Recreational use? Probably gonna fuck you up no matter what.
 
pinpoint said:
Google Olney's Lesions DXM - although to be fair I believe that it was only found in rat brains.
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Its not been proven or disproven with humans and in the experiment their was only a select few rats that had problems. None of the female rats had problems either.
 
GUROch420 said:
Yeah, I know, that's why you have to take those precautionary measures that I already talked about to avoid to avoid those days where you feel useless to the world. I've seen it in action. I've known guys who taught me those things that can make a gram last a whole week. I'm sure there's people that disagree, but that's what I'd call a functional addict.
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Hi.. real quick can you make room in your inbox because I tried to message you back but it said your inbox was overstored.. thanks
 
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