Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

[Inflorescence]

That's me fucked then! Maybe that was why I was so empathetic with my clients Just for the record I know plenty of pschiatrists, You are not wrong Sammy. RMN and social workers etc that self medicate (allegedly due to the stress of their jobs) with copious amounts of coke, MDMA and weed and sooo much alcohol. All sorts of ramifications for that...

Right off to self medicate and thank god that after 15 years in that field I burnt myself out with a mighty coke reliance and now do something completely different. I will add that my inhouse research/evaluations and conclusions were based on a particularly poverty strcken, 'rough' renown riotsville part of inner London..demographics and geography etc all play a part...rambling..off to zop o clock zzzzzzzzzz

 

[Shambles]

Please can this discussion about my history be dropped. Its quite irrelvant and off topic as to where things stand right now IMO, and is just derailing the thread, and making it even more all about me, me, me. Which is partly what seems to be winding some people up.

Truthquoted.

This is meant to be a thread for opiate and opioid withdrawal support not dissecting a single member's post history to see whether or not it fits with some other member's idea of what "proper" opi addiction is. MDB took opiates. He felt he was addicted to opiates because he didn't feel able to stop. It's as simple as that. If other folk feel they have it worse then this thread is here to support you, if they just want to bitch about other folk then it helps nobody.

That aside, in cannabis cum DSP news, at the one I attend cannabis is not considered to be a problem drug unless the client themselves considers it a problem drug afaik. I know I fail my drug test every time for cannabis (actually for synth noids - yes they do test positive for cannabis) but it was explained to me from the getgo that this doesn't matter as I've never mentioned it as being a problem drug in my own situation. Actually what they said was that if they chucked everybody off the treatment programme who failed for cannabis they'd have nobody on the treatment programme.

I have no doubt that cannabis (and especially synth noids) can be a problem for some people - would be kinda strange if they couldn't - but I don't think it's thought to be a big deal aside from the few cases where it is actually a big deal. I suspect that the explosion of synth noids may change that somewhat but they are a whole other fishkettle compared to cannabis itself imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Can we get back to what this thread is about? As wrong as I think Brimz was being I think he is going through stuff n lashing out. He said his ex died n he's been homeless. That's gotta mess someone him. I defended MDB when Brimz said what he said but I honestly think that he was hurting, lashing out n that MDB happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time ( MDB, I'm in NO WAY saying that you shouldn't be here it's a figure of speech.

If MDB wants people to drop talking about his past n talking about him in the third person, surely that should be respected??? Rememberppl lurk here n I'm sure they don't want to see all this bickering.

 

[Raasyvibe]

As wrong as I think Brimz was being I think he is going through stuff n lashing out. He said his ex died n he's been homeless. That's gotta mess someone him.

Yes of course, well discerned.

Brimz is cool as fuck. Worrying if he's ok at the moment? not like him to lash out like that...

 

[wcote]

Ha ha ha

Last two pages have been a bit bizarre.

 

[Inflorescence]

i caned opies for about a decade..to combat comedowns of other substances and was of these idiots that has no patience or was just too stupid too CWE. I probably had and do have a problem still but am not prepared to admit to myself. This thread has got way too much for me to handle. So this really is my last post. I had no intention of derailing thread but I still am as strong believer in C.B.T for any addiction you you have energy or inclination to attempt to withdraw from. Over and out. All the best x

 

[pinkpapaver]

sort of, i find it very destructive to 'go to war' with people. I seek to avoid conflict, i intensly dislike it and the effect it has on me. But if i feel im being put down i will try to stand up for myself and fight my corner when necessary , hopefully without escalating any conflicts.

that's right. life's too short. pick yer battles carefully.

I'll be reporting back on the effectiveness of valerian root. I'll write a herbal detox book for all the celebrities.

 

[pinkpapaver]

Most mental health problems really begin to manifest in the early twenties. Which of course coincides with the peak of drug experimentation for the majority of people.

The majority of 'cannabis made my son a nutter' stories we read are heavily skewed - of course we aren't going to hear about shitty parenting, abuse, poverty and all the other major contributing factors to mental health issues, are we? It's always a caring mother whose son or daughter turned into a moody, reclusive stranger (a phenomenon that use to be called teenagerism) and how it was all down to the cannabis.

Don't get me wrong; I'm sure cannabis psychosis is a fact. I just don't think it's nearly as common as people make out. I also think people mistake 'freaking out' on weed for a psychotic episode because they've read about it somewhere. Believe me folks, there's a difference!

And if you want a drug that can cause long-term psychosis from moderate use, try cocaine or amphetamine!

exactly. Anyone I know who says it makes them para doesn't touch it anymore. The thing is is that some people like some drugs and some people like others. Plenty try opiates, spew their guts up nd don't go down that road. I know plenty of people who used to smoke and don't smoke now.

 

[Shambles]

I'll be reporting back on the effectiveness of valerian root. I'll write a herbal detox book for all the celebrities.

I rather like valerian tincture. You're right, it does reek. Had a concentrated elixir thingy which really did relax me and even make me a lil dozy. Had to take a shitload more than it said (and it's pricey stuff I do believe) but a pleasing effect. I quite possibly had a wee bit of benzo tolerance back when I tried it though so maybe wouldn't need as much now.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I have PMd Brimz to find out if he 's ok n haven't heard back. Could someone who may have his contact details see if he's ok please? Something seems wrong about all this x

 

[Shambles]

I wouldn't worry too much, Evey. I'm sure he'll appreciate the PM but Brimz has been around a long time and been through many hard times. Not to mention he is one hardcore mofo. It may sound crass but I kinda suspect he's "okay" as far as anybody could ever be said to be 'okay' in these kinda situations. It'll take a lot more to break me breadbin

I know he will appreciate the sentiment though - it's great to know people care even when they don't know a person personally or even that well necessarily. Brimz has seen hard times - who hasn't? - but I know Brimz knows how to look after Brimz and no matter how rough things are he will come through it. He's one hardcore mofo, dontcha know

Brimz

 

[Eveleivibe]

OK lol

 

[Raasyvibe]

I wouldn't worry too much, Evey. I'm sure he'll appreciate the PM but Brimz has been around a long time and been through many hard times. Not to mention he is one hardcore mofo. It may sound crass but I kinda suspect he's "okay" as far as anybody could ever be said to be 'okay' in these kinda situations. It'll take a lot more to break me breadbin

I know he will appreciate the sentiment though - it's great to know people care even when they don't know a person personally or even that well necessarily. Brimz has seen hard times - who hasn't? - but I know Brimz knows how to look after Brimz and no matter how rough things are he will come through it. He's one hardcore mofo, dontcha know

Brimz

True, but he's been particularly bad past few weeks.

The greatest, most experienced rock climbers and mountaineers in the world still fall. Professional fire dancers, still get burnt. Whilst you're living in a dangerous environment, you can never remove the element of chance, you can only become lucky so many times.

I'm sure he'll be fine really. But I like metaphors dammit.

 

[pinkpapaver]

^ are you Jesus in disgiuise?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Im probably the last person he wants to see commenting, but brimz is a bit erratic with his posting patterns, he'll be here for a few hours one day, and then not be seen again for 1,2,3 or 4 days or more sometimes. He has been through a lot and is a tough cookie, but even he has said he is emotionally cut up by all of this. It'll take time to get over his loss.

 

[Raasyvibe]

^ are you Jesus in disgiuise?

It's possible.




Like...er.... a caterpillar, to grow beautiful wings and fly to new heights of the earth, or the moon to eclipse the sun. It's possible.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Im probably the last person he wants to see commenting, but brimz is a bit erratic with his posting patterns, he'll be here for a few hours one day, and then not be seen again for 1,2,3 or 4 days or more sometimes. He has been through a lot and is a tough cookie, but even he has said he is emotionally cut up by all of this. It'll take time to get over his loss.

Ok I don't know Brimz all that well but I really don't think his issue was with you. He said his ex died etc. it's obviously upsetting him. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time so to speak. But I could be wrong. He may not be in danger but he may want someone to talk to right now. Doesn't really matter how hard someone is we all needsomeone to talk to at times.

Rass do you have him on Facebook? If so could you send him a message n ask how he's doing please?

 

[Eveleivibe]

Im probably the last person he wants to see commenting, but brimz is a bit erratic with his posting patterns, he'll be here for a few hours one day, and then not be seen again for 1,2,3 or 4 days or more sometimes. He has been through a lot and is a tough cookie, but even he has said he is emotionally cut up by all of this. It'll take time to get over his loss.

Ok I don't know Brimz all that well but I really don't think his issue was with you. He said his ex died etc. it's obviously upsetting him. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time so to speak. But I could be wrong. He may not be in danger but he may want someone to talk to right now. Doesn't really matter how hard someone is we all needsomeone to talk to at times.

Rass do you have him on Facebook? If so could you send him a message n ask how he's doing please?

 

[Shambles]

Im probably the last person he wants to see commenting, but brimz is a bit erratic with his posting patterns, he'll be here for a few hours one day, and then not be seen again for 1,2,3 or 4 days or more sometimes. He has been through a lot and is a tough cookie, but even he has said he is emotionally cut up by all of this. It'll take time to get over his loss.

Yes he has, which is perhaps good reason to not get overly speculative about any of it. Brimz is a Big Boy and I know he's fundamentally "okay". That's not to say not also acutely aware of the shiteness that abounds and hurting every bit of it, but no cause for undue panic, I strongly suspect. I'm sure he's quite capable of speaking for himself if he wishes to comment on any of it. I'm not trying to diminish his pain in any way, shape or form - far, far from it and am sure he knows that - but I really don't think there's need to be getting overly concerned about his immediate safety and well-being. I'm sure he'll say whatever he does or does not wish to discuss as and when.

But very much getting mucho virtual hugs 'n' stuff whether he's a huggy kinda fella or not - that's the handy thing about virtual hugs, see? Brimz

(also worth remembering he's been talking a lot about MDPV/a-PVP bingeing of late so somewhat erratic postings are to be expected. If anything, a positive sign cos not completely disconnected and dissociated which is easily done if you overdo the peev too vigoroursly and vociferously for too long. I was actually thinking he's been remarkably lucid considering the days of uberhigh-dose MDPV + aPVP + heroin "speedballs" he's been making me drool over all week )

 

[Eveleivibe]

Excuse me shambles but who made you God? You really think you know it all at all. If I wish to express concern for someone I will do. You'd feel pretty damn guilty if something had have happened wouldn't you. Please stop telling everyone on EADD what to or not to do. It's really annoying.