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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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the only time ive seen ''unpredictable"/ varied effects is when switching different methods of administration- like snorting to sublingual,
 
With one person, changing the ROA can change effects; tolerance can also come into play. Differential health, diet....as well. I would'nt even begin to know how to quantify these changes. As a 'general' rule of thumb, if you're in a similar biological condition, similar doses 'should' have similar effects.

From person to person it becomes incredibly more complex; now you're looking at genetic variance.

And as others have mentioned, batch to batch differences and sample degradation are important too.

I'll see what happens tomorrow night when I jump from 10.0 to 18.2 mg

Tom
 
Ya know...I've noted that 4-AcO-DMT seemed VERY different when comparing an IMed dose to an oral dose....IMed 4-AcO-DMT resembles and IMed dose of DMT...and orally resembles psilocin but with a new color spectrum (reds vs blues and greens of psilocin) and a warm fuzziness vs the 'cold universe' feeling I get with psilocin. On the other hand, psilocin seems exactly the same whether IMed or taken orally. The only difference with psilocin is the effects manifest in 2 minutes and reach a peak in 10-20 minutes instead of 90 minutes as with an oral dose.

Interesting stuff.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Actually, it was some greenlighter's post that made me question....I know YMMV, etc but I've shared a lot of 4-AcO-DMT with a lot of folks and there just has not been any inconsistency...it works like the mushrooms work. I know you know your stuff bloodshed344, not questioning your brain but even the best "RC VENDOR" doesn't GCMS every batch they get and the wrong stuff has been sent out to many people over the years....it is normal for people like me to question when it comes to inconsistent results with a very consistent psychedelic.
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It worked like expected for a friend. As Magickduck has said, my tolerance was too high. I abused 2C-E and that is probably why. Today 4-AcO-DMT would probably be a different creature... I'll try it out soon enough and let you know.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Ya know...I've noted that 4-AcO-DMT seemed VERY different when comparing an IMed dose to an oral dose....IMed 4-AcO-DMT resembles and IMed dose of DMT...and orally resembles psilocin but with a new color spectrum (reds vs blues and greens of psilocin) and a warm fuzziness vs the 'cold universe' feeling I get with psilocin. On the other hand, psilocin seems exactly the same whether IMed or taken orally. The only difference with psilocin is the effects manifest in 2 minutes and reach a peak in 10-20 minutes instead of 90 minutes as with an oral dose.

Interesting stuff.
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was the IM dose overwhelming or is it something you could like, go on a walk on.. i couldn't go on a walk on smoked DMT much less IM'd.
 
Dose dependent. You can take a little or a lot of an IM shot of psilacetin.

IMed DMT is NOTHING like smoking it. I have checked the mail, engaged in hard core making out and other fun stuff with my mouth, and even danced (I don't dance) on DMT (IMed).
 
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I think its the white stuff personally.

I've had white stuff turn into goo, and was sampling off the batch a few times a month or so for about 6 months. Definitely changed character in its affects, but it turned to goo before i noticed a definite change in affects.

I believe whats happening is the acetoxy ester pulls moisture out of the air, begins to clump and finally turn into a goo. Once there's enough water present, it starts to hydrolyze into psilocin. Leaving you with a mix of acetylpsilocin/psilocin in goo form, that ages into psilocin, and eventually degrades into inactives, unless of course you take measures to dry it and keep it dry for future storage.

I think these esters are great for storage, but at the end of the day, the effects of psilocin i find are more desirable, so you just need to lemon tek your aco/po 4 substituted tryptamines right before ingestion, but the esters are far superior in terms of shelf life.
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Ok interesting.. So if i wanna turn the white powder into brown on purpose i think lay in in the fridge in the open would be the best? Im looking for the fastest way.. Then i can test if the euphoria is back :D In the open at room temperature in a closet takes way too long.. its still white after months.
 
There is a fairly simple way to determine if the Acetoxy compound is being degrade/converted into Psilocin (but you'll need access to a spectrophotometer).

The absorbance maxima of Psilocin in acidic aqueous media are 266, 282 and 292 nm. In aqueous alkalai media 270 and 293 nm.

Take a 1 mg/ml H20 solution of Acetoxy and add to a 1 cm UV transparent spectrophotometer cell (the UV transparent portion is important). As long as you can run wavelength scans, you can get the complete absorbance spectra of your Acetoxy compound. All you have to do is keep running scans to see if certain wavelength maxima start to appear.

You could also set your spectrophotometer to monitor the appearance (or disappearance) of certain wavelengths.

The above could be done for neutral, acidic or basic solutions. As long as you know what the pH, volume of cell and concentration of Acetoxy compound is you might even be able to determine kinetics of conversion.

I can pull up the references if people want (one is a producut monograph from Sigma Aldrich, and one is a published paper from 1968). In 1968, the kind of spectrophotometer that I am alluding to did not exist. It does now. There's all kinds of neat things you could do; such as temperature stability/instability and so forth.

Tom
 
100mg

I have injected 15-17 mg and conversed with aliens. 100mg insufflated over a few hours also put me in a different world.
 
bloodshed344 said:
Yes, check the 4-HO-MiPT thread I saw a post recently that talked about this combo. Sounded very interesting.
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Yeah, I believe that was mine. Very intense, incredibly visual and dysphoric thought loops. The doses were quite high though.
 
I posted in the 4acoDMT combination subthread with out any replies... Just curious if anyone has any experiences mixing this compound with opiates? I imagine the body buzz would be quite lovely.
 
Yes, I've had couple of times with this mix. Opiates i mixed with aco was: morphine and tramadol ( no too smart combination, can causes serotonine syndrome). Body high is realy great. The key is to mix in a propriate doses. Too much of opiate affect negative on mental part of experience.
 
Hi folks, I signed up just for this thread if I'm honest as other places I've seen posts on this chemical haven't been half as good if I'm honest.

I've had several experiences win this RC & I find it a mixed bag of delight & also terror.

My 1st trip was 65mg dissolved in water which kicked in around 3/5 mins after drinking & produced one of the most intense visual experiences of my life for about 40mins the whole world melted like paint running down a canvas & really freaked me out as I throught I'd gone over the line between sanity & insanity.
Lucky it calmed down & left me in a uber stone state for another 7 hours.

Does anyone else find you have an extreme outbreak of tears & mucus running in a uncontrolled fashion when tripping on this chemical too?

I also find I have at least one turn of extreme vomiting usually around 4/5 hours after taking it, is this normal?
 
I forgot to add I find this to be very different to actual mushrooms. I got 4AcO originally after reading it was the same trip from lliberty caps but I find 4AcO to be a unique compound, I could tell this apart from mushrooms on the Pepsi challenge any day.
 
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Wigrid said:
I forgot to add I find this to be very different to actual mushrooms. I got 4AcO originally after reading it was the same trip from lliberty caps but I find 4AcO to be a unique compound, I could tell this apart from mushrooms on the Pepsi challenge any day.
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Obviously different people have different preferred dosage levels. I don't think I'm going to be up to 65 mg for a while (if I ever want to reach that weight).

7 days ago I started at 10.0 mg, and on Friday night I tried 18.2 mg

The 10.0 mg dose was very light (maybe equivalent to 1 g cubes). Mild euphoria, sedation, quite calming with light visual patterning.

18.2 mg felt very similar if not identical to 2-2.5g cubes. Color shifting, haloes, tracers, words floating in mid air, mild shivers, introspection, mild GI discomfort. Patterned surfaces (my stuccoed ceiling) would flow like lava. Pupils were dilated mdoerately and my face would twist and shift in a mirror.

Wigrid; yes I get tearing and mucus production. Nothing too severe though. Come up period was 20 minutes and then I was ++/+++ for about an hour and a half with a slow decline for about 5 hours. I was able to eat while on this; 2 pieces of pizza and 1/2 a beer. But I would forget to chew or swallow frequently.

OEV's were light. CEV's were 3 dimensional Escher type surfaces composed of triangles and hexagons. I found it very easy to think of an object and visualize it as a bastardized picture.

It was difficult to walk about an hour into it because my vision was affected. So I did my usual thing; sit cross legged and watched (or tried to watch) a movie. It was impossible to watch a football game because I couldn't understand why people were running randomly all over the field.

I'll try next Friday at 26.6 mg.

Tom

[edit; forgot to add that one other effect I found identical to mushrooms is that I get moderate to severe facial itching (pruritis) - same thing on 4-AcO-DMT]
 
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I only go in at that dose because I had seen reports on Erowid of 125mg before & a regular mushroom trip for me is at least 4grams & I have done several 7/9gram trips before.

As to the tears & nasal mucus for me it runs like a tap but may be due to the level I'm dosing at tbh.
 
Wigrid said:
I only go in at that dose because I had seen reports on Erowid of 125mg before & a regular mushroom trip for me is at least 4grams & I have done several 7/9gram trips before.

As to the tears & nasal mucus for me it runs like a tap but may be due to the level I'm dosing at tbh.
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sounds like you didn't do enough research before ingesting a new chemical.

what do you think would have happened if you ate 7 or 9 grams of mushrooms for YOUR FIRST TRIP on mushrooms?
maybe you did and handled it fine, or maybe you would have had too intense of an experience...

that's what is likely to happen when ingesting 65 mg of 4-aco-dmt - especially for your first time with it.


i have gotten mucus and tear production on higher doses as well. "only" went as high as 45 mg though, and i doubt i'll ever take that much again. 35-40 is plenty high enough for me.
 
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