Psychedelic cults

[Magickduck]

Has anyone else noticed the tendency of psychedelics to create little cults all over the fucking place? Either large groups of people which spread to small groups of people to single individuals who spread it even further. And there are all sorts of these - psytrance festivals, the rainbow gathering, etc... I cannot say that these are all a bad thing as the one thing they all seem to have in common is LOVE - however there are also things like the Waco cult or charles manson to think about.

I think these tools are ultra-powerful and understanding and education about their actual effects is needed - while they seem to be changing things for the better, its also good to analyze the other angle of things. I also do not think we must abandon any ideals we know to be true and good, however we should as always, consider the source.

On the TV and all that nonsense as well, and I agree, maybe the opposing side should have an equally powerful way of manipulation, but still, why can't all these people just let people figure it out on their own? or maybe they wouldn't... who knows, maybe its a good thing, i have no clue. who knows, it is what it is.

I think they are important as they seem to regularly break down societial conditioning - however after doing this they seem to put us in a hypersuggestable state and it seems that there are people out there that either are purposfully manipulating this or they don't recognize it as manipulation and think they are doing a good thing. Which they very well might be, who knows. Though, personally, I have found over time that it seems better to do these type of things in small groups in the middle of the woods so as to only break down the conditioning, rather than being brainwashed all over again in the opposite direction.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

There is a Bluelight Cult? Well fuck you guys, what didn't anybody asked me to join?

Sheeet (golly), chump don't want no help, CHUMP don't get no help. You jive mastas ain't got no brains, anyhow.

 

[EarthBounded]

Lol well first off Charles Manson was just a disgrace to the human race, he was mentally disturbed and would have most likely carried out his actions with or without LSD. Secondly I would not consider the Rainbow family a Psychedelic cult, sure some people may label it as one but that is outsider perspective. Would that make the rest of the world a sober cloudy day cult!?

I will agree that people who take psychedelics may gather together but throwing the word cult on there is kind of Naive...

 

[GreenMachine]

some of the more hardcore hippies that surround the grateful dead scene can get pretty damn culty. i have certainly been approached by culty types at festivals before, the zendiks, the monk looking dudes who give you a "free" book then take it away when you dont give a donation, spinners, etc. i think these days theres a ton of kids getting into new age crystal healing, sacred geometry, conspiracy theory type things that are pretty much asking to be culted by someone that has enough charisma to reign them in. creeps me out a little bit to be honest.

 

[Magickduck]

charles manson would not have been able to convince those girls to kill without LSD, EarthBounded.

And I suppose you have never been to psytrance festival, GreenMachine. If the dead family freaks you out, I cannot imagine what a psy gathering would do to you. Though to me, they are normally a good thing.

 

[Incunabula]

8) Gaaah, psy trance parties are just THAT! parties.

 

[EarthBounded]

charles manson would not have been able to convince those girls to kill without LSD, EarthBounded.

Your right Hitler must have dosed out his entire military.

Hmmm to my knowledge psychedelic users are usually free thinkers who don't form cults, sure there have been large organizations with radical thought that does not make it a cult.

And I suppose you have never been to psytrance festival, GreenMachine. If the dead family freaks you out, I cannot imagine what a psy gathering would do to you. Though to me, they are normally a good thing.

Dead family freak me out, LMAO!? I'm rolling on the ground laughing right now

I'm not disagreeing with you that people who use psychedelics gather together...

You might be mistaking the word cult with OCCULT!

Back to the rainbow family, they put out the world largest vibration of peace and love, with a powerful prayer for peace when gathered. The fact that some of group use psychedelics has nothing to do with the main goals.

I think you are missing the overall point... Or it might just be a little to wierd for your taste.

Much love tho I am not here to insult anyone, if anything you should re-do a post about how psychedelic users tend to gather with each other more than they do with non-pyscadelic users and see if people agree with that correlation.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

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Back to the rainbow family, they put out the world largest vibration of peace and love, with a powerful prayer for peace when gathered. The fact that some of group use psychedelics has nothing to do with the main goals.

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+1 to the Rainbow Family. My first Gathering way back in Thomasville MO, what was it...96, 97 really was THE eyeopener of my youth, those crazy cultists. The second one in 2009 in Colorado sealed the deal.

Now here is what confuses me...in another thread the OP made a long post to me about the Burning Man...now with this post I am really don't know what to think. Are the Burning Man a strange psychedelic cult, and is the OP a cult leader trying to get me to join so as to brain wash me, give me LSD, and send me out to kill?

Totally confused, I will grab some coffee.

 

[Magickduck]

+1 to the Rainbow Family. My first Gathering way back in Thomasville MO, what was it...96, 97 really was THE eyeopener of my youth, those crazy cultists. The second one in 2009 in Colorado sealed the deal.

Now here is what confuses me...in another thread the OP made a long post to me about the Burning Man...now with this post I am really don't know what to think. Are the Burning Man a strange psychedelic cult, and is the OP a cult leader trying to get me to join so as to brain wash me, give me LSD, and send me out to kill?

Totally confused, I will grab some coffee.

burns seem to be the exemption to this cult shit.

and to whoever said it, Manson and hitler are two entirely different things. If you guys do not agree that psychedelics can be used to intentionally or accidently brainwash people, than you should not be taking psychedelics.

as per whoever said psytrance gatherings are 'just parties' obviously you are going to different ones than me.

 

[EarthBounded]

burns seem to be the exemption to this cult shit.

and to whoever said it, Manson and hitler are two entirely different things. If you guys do not agree that psychedelics can be used to intentionally or accidently brainwash people, than you should not be taking psychedelics.

as per whoever said psytrance gatherings are 'just parties' obviously you are going to different ones than me.

Yea were the ones who shouldn't be taking psychedelics....
This is your perception not everyones, your placing Psychedelic Trance festivals on a different social level then other gatherings that is mistake numbero uno.

I don't know why I care but I gotta ask Magicduck are you a psychedelic user?

 

[missmeyet?]

charles manson would not have been able to convince those girls to kill without LSD, EarthBounded.

Bullshit....it happens all the time without the aid of drugs. Maybe not to the extent of Charles Mansons notoriety but it happens all the time. There are always people somewhere that are needy and jump into being a follower. There are tons of cults that exist and have existed where the "leaders" are able to convince people to do thing that they normally wouldn't do, ie; child abuse, molestation, moms beating their children to death because their "leader" told them the child was evil or some such crap, cutting off contact with all family, murder, stealing etc. Etc. If you like I will find and list examples for you here.

There are people everywhere that are already open to suggestions and very vulnerable and weak, emotionally and psychologically.

LSD may have play a small part but it happens all the time without the use of drugs.

It drives me crazy when someone has some theory that they pull out of thin air and state it as fact when they have no idea and haven't researched this idea at all.

OP, its fine to state this as your opinion, but don't state it as FACT when it is indeed, not!

 

[IamMe90]

Honestly, OP just sounds like a prude who's met one too many burnouts and has made a wildly inappropriate induction based on that sample.

 

[Magickduck]

I can tell I have offended some of you... for psychedelic users you guys have a poor ability to analyze the other angle of things. No, I am not a "prude" - I have been eating psychedelics for a very long time. No, I am not crazy. And are you kidding me about charles manson not using LSD to brainwash people? get a clue, these tools are what they are - they are not some magical lightbearing wonderland - they are tools that can be used for good AND bad.

the reason I put psytrance festivals on a different category than others (as well as some aspects of the rainbow gathering) because at least around here, and I do not know what your spiritual beliefs are, so you may dismiss this as fake/crazy, but there are certain groups that are doing magick ritual on large groups of people - most of this is in a positive way, but some are very, very bad (at least one that I know of).

And this is not just me, I have had this conversation with many people who notice the same thing.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I Would invite you to practice the knowledge that perception is everything (or nothing), reality is a shared agreement. Remember the concept of dualism. In the case of a 'psychedelic gathering' you can have 50,000 people, all gathered together...and you could say that every one of them has a different reason for being there...and that their perceptions of what is happening around them will differ from their neighbor.

I can tell you 'magic rituals' at the Rainbow Gathering (if there were any, I'll allow for the fact that people do these things, and there could have been) did not have any effect that led me off my path, and whatever the Rainbow Gathering is/was...it was completely productive for me, completely positive, and led to amazing discoveries that would not have happened to me, or my love at the time, any other way...given where we lived at the time...and given how developed (or undeveloped) we were.

Beyond the two large ones, I have been to many local gatherings and my perception is that the good people I surrounded myself with were not brainwashed, were not programmed as the result of magic rituals, and no matter what...there were as many perceptions as there were people. That one neighbor was a 'hippy' named Leaf, and another neighbor was a 4th grade teacher who used no psychedelics, marijuana, or other drugs...and besides all the hippies and regular people, there were even Grandma and Grandpa in their campers who did not wear grateful dead tshirts. I'll leave the rest of your post alone, it is what it is....but I will finish by restating that perception is everything, reality is a shared agreement, and you are only as young/wise as the last time you changed your mind.. The reality you seem to suggest (about the Rainbow Gathering) is not something I can identify with....and I will go out on a limb and say I never met anyone who would either.

And I am definitely thinking of the PM you sent me about group energy work, etc. I am definitely taking what you wrote me into consideration.

the reason I put psytrance festivals on a different category than others (as well as some aspects of the rainbow gathering) because at least around here, and I do not know what your spiritual beliefs are, so you may dismiss this as fake/crazy, but there are certain groups that are doing magick ritual on large groups of people - most of this is in a positive way, but some are very, very bad (at least one that I know of).

And this is not just me, I have had this conversation with many people who notice the same thing.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I can tell I have offended some of you... for psychedelic users you guys have a poor ability to analyze the other angle of things.

You seem more pessimistic than collective experience/knowledge justifies. That is all.

 

[EarthBounded]

I am not offended nor do I think your crazy... Magic has existed for thousands of years... if you know anything about it you would know that White and black magic are really just Positive and negative thought, Don't read to much into it other than that. White magic is literally a prayer a positive thought... Black magic is for selfish purposes. If there were a group of Black Magic wannabes at a music fest, well I would go kick them in the nuts and tear gas those sons of bitches... but the sad reality is there are people like that all around the globe that think they can better them selfs through evil meditation...fucking weirdoes. It just seems you are reading too much into the music scene. Trust me I have to see all these little gangs, groups running around the music scene doing stupid shit, but they are few and far between and eventually loose everything including there dignity, "gangs" in the free thought community are rarely tolerated, these are however not cults just groups of mentally inbalanced sociopaths. It is after all just the music scene and good ol psychedelics. Main point from my end is cult was a strong word to use, if it were a conversation about how different groups gather within the community I would be more interested.

Duh we all know LSD could be used negatively but we also know that the good outweighs the bad.

Now if you knew your history I would be open to debate on whether Ronald Stark was a cult leader or The Process Church of Final Judgement was a cult, however these are these are the most radical symbols with psychedelics our generation has ever heard of. I would also like to add they did not use there rituals for selfish acts but for realism.

Again I would say the psychedelic community fits an Occult profile, look it up.

 

[Magickduck]

I am not offended nor do I think your crazy... Magic has existed for thousands of years... if you know anything about it you would know that White and black magic are really just Positive and negative thought, Don't read to much into it other than that. White magic is literally a prayer a positive thought... Black magic is for selfish purposes. If there were a group of Black Magic wannabes at a music fest, well I would go kick them in the nuts and tear gas those sons of bitches... but the sad reality is there are people like that all around the globe that think they can better them selfs through evil meditation...fucking weirdoes. It just seems you are reading too much into the music scene. Trust me I have to see all these little gangs, groups running around the music scene doing stupid shit, but they are few and far between and eventually loose everything including there dignity, "gangs" in the free thought community are rarely tolerated, these are however not cults just groups of mentally inbalanced sociopaths. It is after all just the music scene and good ol psychedelics. Main point from my end is cult was a strong word to use, if it were a conversation about how different groups gather within the community I would be more interested.

Duh we all know LSD could be used negatively but we also know that the good outweighs the bad.

Now if you knew your history I would be open to debate on whether Ronald Stark was a cult leader or The Process Church of Final Judgement was a cult, however these are these are the most radical symbols with psychedelics our generation has ever heard of. I would also like to add they did not use there rituals for selfish acts but for realism.

Again I would say the psychedelic community fits an Occult profile, look it up.

I am well studied in the occult and I agree, and I also think these things can be used for good. However I also think that even if ones intent is good, influencing anothers path with ritual is not a good thing. This is still black magic.

I do not know if it is just around here but yes, there are many, many festivals thrown here where the organizers themselves are the ones doing the rituals.

in regards to the rainbow gathering, yes this is better as there is no select group of people organizing it and also doing rituals on all the atendees but it does happen, however the average bum hippy running around the rainbow gathering that has devoted their entire life to 'rainbow this' 'rainbow that' has no knowledge of these things.

 

[EarthBounded]

Honestly it just sounds like you are judging the entire movement around what you have seen locally, I guess if I saw that stuff it would bug me too... I have been to some of the biggest psychedelic parties our planet has to offer and I can assure you this isn't tolerated on a large scale.

 

[missmeyet?]

You are not offending me by any means dear. You are just making yourself look kind of, well, not so smart on the subject. Acid is not the reason why he was able to convince them to do the horrible things they did. It may have played a very small part in it, but Charles Manson's ability to get people to do what he wanted them to is just like many other "cult" leaders. It has more to do with charisma, the ability to seek and find people's weaknesses and play upon them.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

You are not what your PMs led me to believe. Maybe I am reading too much into things but as a thinking person with short hair, who dresses real nice, votes independently with a slant towards the right, and who believes in the Goodness of people in general, and especially in the ways people express themselves politically in the USA (i.e I am not a hippy and do not identify with one)....dude did you really just say that? I mean really, is that how you really see it? You just totally destroyed any credibility you have at the BL PD forum...and I spent quite a few minutes thinking about your words to me in the PMs, and a few more minutes responding to you....a good lesson indeed for me to not be so taken by words....but still, really? :/

average bum hippy running around the rainbow gathering that has devoted their entire life to 'rainbow this' 'rainbow that' has no knowledge of these things.