MEGA: Rap/Hip Hop DISCUSSION thread.

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most importantly raps about his life instead of trying to be someone he's not.

Drake is absolute garbage. Only reason he doesn't rap about gangster shit is bc every time he tries to he gets called out. Cuz he's full of shit and knows it. C tha god puts it best http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x0VQWQRkY4I

99% of current mainstream rappers fuckin suck, anyone who knows 90's rap with shit like krs, atcq, big l, pharcyde, gangstarr, nas, Kool Keith will kno what I'm talking about. I feel bad for ppl who listen to retards like Gucci mane, French Montana, ASAP rocky, Rick Ross, wacka flocka, the list cud go on forever.

Not to mention a majority of the shit they talk about is straight up lies. With Wayne talkin bout takin a knife off the ak and cuttin niggas, or kidnapping ur bitch n holding her for ransom, he doesn't do ANY of the shit he speaks of. He used to talk about gettin shot til everyone found out he actually shot himself, now he won't even let ppl bring it up in interviews anymore.

And lil Wayne isn't the only one. Juelz Santana's a fucking liar, Rick Ross was a prison c.o. and stole the name and basically entire life from an actual inmate named Rick Ross. Real gangsters don't make public all the crimes they've committed bc they've actually done that

Krs did a pretty good interview where he talks about the state of hip hop and artists currently compared to its roots. It's a bit of a long watch but he's a smart ass dude and it's def worth it for any hip hop fans http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/615092-The-mega-rap-hip-hop-DISCUSSION-thread/page9
 
Every rapper plays a role. I think most people would agree that Eminem and Jay-Z are two of the best rappers, yet no one thinks Eminem really killed his wife or Jay-Z was really worth 900 grand before his first album. The only reason those guys get a pass and Rick Ross doesn't is because they make better music than Rick Ross. You just gotta take it for what it is: entertainment.

Besides, if every rapper talked about things that they actually did then their music would sound like this dude's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA_iMuZ3ZDw

Don't get me wrong, I love 90s hip-hop, but I've been listening to Tribe, Wu-Tang and Pharcyde since 7th grade. As much as I love those albums I can't be listening to the same music for 10 years. I need new shit, even if I won't remember most of it in 10 years.
 
Every rapper plays a role. I think most people would agree that Eminem and Jay-Z are two of the best rappers, yet no one thinks Eminem really killed his wife or Jay-Z was really worth 900 grand before his first album. The only reason those guys get a pass and Rick Ross doesn't is because they make better music than Rick Ross. You just gotta take it for what it is: entertainment.

u make a valid point. i agree if you listen to alot of big l's songs like the heist u kno he didnt do that shit. i guess the main point im making is while a lot of the old school artists did use fiction in their songs, they were still legitimate and had street cred. while some of the shit they talk about didnt actually happen, they did live that lifestyle and commited acts similar to things they discuss

opposed to someone like lil wayne or tyga where EVERY thing they rap about is just utter bullshit and theyre profiting off the current trend of bein a gangster and spending dumb money. majority of the people id include in my top 10 helped make that trend, and you have a bunch of fake wannabees hopping on the wagon to make some easy cash and play off naieve teenagers

and yeah listening to the same artists year after year does get boring. i think wiz khalifa is a pretty good mainstream rapper out right now, mainley bc he makes good music, but he gains my respect bc he doesnt try to be something that hes not. i also like styles p, redman, jadakiss and method man to name a few. and while i dont believe everything they talk about as fact, they do/used to sell drugs and be in gangs and have street cred. i mean redman still lives in the hood in newark. and my friends brother just arrested styles p a few weeks ago. they have his mugshot on their refrigerator lol

meanwhile do u really think wayne wouldve done that bid in rikers if he didnt want to? there were a bunch of ppl on that bus who wouldve gladly taken the fall for him but he chose to bc him (and his marketing team) felt it would help garner him more respect and attention. the general concensus from him getting locked up was "damn hes gonna write some good ass rhymes while hes locked up and come out with a killer album after hes released" wayne didnt go to jail bc he had to, he did it bc he knew itd further his career
 
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There's so much hype around ASAP Rocky. And when I finally gave that shit a listen it was pretty weak.

Rick Ross did completely rip off his entire persona from an actual crack dealer named Rick Ross. No matter how talented he is or could be he should be seen as a hack.
 
I'm not a Rick Ross fan so I won't defend his actual music. I'll just say that it's pretty obvious his persona is exaggerated (I mean come on, he named himself after the guy who basically invented crack), but that doesn't mean it's all fake. Even if he never sold drugs in his life he grew up in an era where kids look up to drug dealers more than they look up to doctors and lawyers. Rappers are always coming up with new ways to say "I'm the shit" and his way of saying that is by saying he's the biggest drug dealer ever. It's one big extended metaphor created mainly to entertain but it also shows how fucked up society has to be for us to look up to drug dealers more than people who make a meaningful impact in the world. And that's a pretty accurate representation of our generation. I mean shit, I'm here talking to you guys about this on a drug forum.

As for Wayne, he definitely went to jail for the street cred. There was no way he could have someone take the rap for him and still be able to talk about gangster shit in his songs. It was a pretty ballsy move, I'll give him that. He's still got a ways to go to catch up to Cam'ron though. Cam'ron actually got shot and refused to tell the cops any information about the people who shot him because he said it would be snitching. To quote Wikipedia:

On October 23, 2005, Cam'ron was leaving a nightclub in Washington D.C., having performed the day before at Howard University. Whilst stopped at a traffic light at the intersection of New York and New Jersey Avenue shortly after midnight, a passenger of a nearby car threatened Cam'ron to "give up" his 2006 Lamborghini. Cam'ron resisted, and the man then shot him. Cam'ron was struck at least once as he was holding the steering wheel, but he was able to drive, going the wrong way on streets and flashing his lights, until a fan drove him to Howard University Hospital. The gunman and passenger fled and crashed into a parked car and fled the scene. D.C. Metro Police recovered a cell phone from the scene of the crash, which they tried to use to trace the suspects. He stated that he does not know who shot him.

On April 22, 2007, Cam'ron was interviewed on 60 Minutes as part of a piece on the Stop Snitchin' movement. He also stated that he would "not help the police" try to locate the shooter saying he is "not a snitch" and helping the police would probably hurt his record sales. He stated in the interview, "Because with the type of business I'm in, it would definitely hurt my business. And the way that I was raised, I just don't do that. I was raised differently, not to tell...It's about business but it's still also a code of ethics"" When asked by Anderson Cooper if he would tell the police if a serial killer was living next to him, Cam'ron replied "I would probably move," but would not inform the police.
 
Rick Ross isnt a good rapper he's just a good hype man who gets on good beats, and goes "WHOOOOOO" every now and then to makes things flow better

ever since BMF came out like all his songs sound the same though, just different sound effects
 
I got another cool chill song of 90s hip hop.. this ones is good to listen to on a Sunday morning relaxing :) Digabale Planets - Pacifics : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y74IBgLQF4Q This is like an anthem to my Sunday morning/afternoon philosophy, just relaxing and taking it easy :) ha.

What you guys think of this kinda music, i kinda like it: Gramatik - Good Evening Mr. Hitchcock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpQeRGIo74 ............. Its got a cool beat, idk i think you guys will dig it.
 
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Nobody has mentioned the movie that sums up the sweetness of the Time: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL093F7F11107C7245
That movie is 'The Wackness' and came out in 2008, and is fairly incredible, with an amazing soundtrack.

I would like to add Talib Kweli and Mos Def to the list tho they were LATE 90s... Man I miss that stuff.

Future Thread I might create: 'If You Loved 90s Hip Hop - What You Should Check Out Now'
IE Grieves, Zion I, Common Market, Sage Francis, Blue Scholars, Eyeada and Abilities, Murs, and that whole line of 'conscious hip hop' i think they call it.
 
what I like about the 90's is like even the average rappers had hot songs.

I mean, Im not a huge Grand Puba fan but this song is pretty chill
 
Tupac Shakur

Everyone remembers Tupac from his trials, and his role in the movie Juice. A lot of people actually believe Tupac was similar or exactly like his character "Bishop" in real life. Tupac was NOTHING like that character. He was still a kid when he died, 25 years old. He was labeled a rapist, a cop killer, and a thug promoting violence across the country. But that wasn't his intention at all, that's just how white people saw it.

Tupac is looked at as one of the biggest gangsters, or a cop killer. But that's not who he was, he was a voice for the black people. He was raised by a Black Panther, his mom was a Black Panther. And she taught him their values, which is another thing America doesn't understand. They weren't gun toting black people, hunting cops. They were educated, well read in law, and happened to carry shotguns, etc. White America LITERALLY made gun concealment laws because they were afraid of the Black Panthers. But the black panthers were just a people's police department. They would drive around, or walk around and look for police that were bothering people (usually being racist and picking on black people) and they would intervene by acting as somewhat of a lawyer for the person that was opposite the police. They would carry around law books, and do EVERYTHING legally. There was no way the Panther could have the situation turned on him, based on his education within the law. That way the police officer was forced to deal with his victim within the law. They were the people's police. Making sure the police weren't privately fucking with you in some way to make things worse.

Tupac was just like that. He shot two off duty cops, not because he was a thug, or wanted the most "juice". He was getting out of his car at a hotel, and heard some cops harassing a black man. He went over to help, because he knew the police were doing more than they should, and they pulled guns on him. He shot them, completely in self defense. When he went to court all charges were dropped, because not only was Tupac protecting himself, the two cops he killed were off duty, outside their county, with weapons from the evidence locker, and they were both drunk.
Then they tried to get him with rape charges. Think about if you were like lil Wayne or Diddy. Would you EVER need to rape anyone? Any bitch would be on your dick. Same went for Tupac. This bitch went in the court room and said "I met them in the lobby of a hotel, and went back to their room with them, and engaged in oral sex... They called the next night, I met them again in their rooms, and again engaged in oral sex." This bitch wasn't rapped. She was being a slut. Even after her testimony that CLEARLY showed she was a willing participant in her "rape", the judge gave Tupac something like molestation charge, so he had to go to jail for that. The judge said something like "Well I still have to make an example... Blah blah blah... Gangster rap."

There are videos with Tupac talking about guns, the SAME way Huey Newton and them used to talk about guns. He wasn't saying go out and shoot people, go use your guns to rob people. He was saying to protect yourselves, he was saying the police are strapped up, and they aren't bullshittin, and they'll come at you quick for some stupid shit. He was worried about protecting the black community from the government.
When he was 17, he was setting up programs in Baltimore to help prevent people from getting AIDS, and stop violence because he had had friends that got shot, and he knew AIDS was a big killer in the black community in the 80s. Then when he got older he was just trying to teach kids how to be a man, and stand up. Not to shoot cops, not to shoot their brothers, and claim a set to shoot at another color. He was saying get ready for the government to come at you, while he preached to America as a whole about what was going on in the unseen communities. He would give speeches too, about how shit isn't better yet and we aren't done, his first one recorded was at a Malcom X meeting thing.

And look at Lil Wayne and Birdman, DIAMOND teeth. Spending ALL their money on themselves, and partying and shit. Pac had underground programs set up for children, and homeless people. The most rappers today are doing for the homeless is paying for girls to get off the street, and bringing up drug dealers by buying so much from them. No one is trying to fix anything, no one wants to change anything. Because they make money the way it is right now, why would they want to change it? But they SHOULD. Like think about Beiber, he is Ushers project. Why?!?!? Usher should have found some black kid like Chris Brown (But younger) and promoted him. WHY give that to a little white boy?? Bieber isn't gonna share any wealth with the black community. He doesn't have black friends he can promote and bring up. Usher just passed the torch back to the white man.

Things are fucked up, and need to get better. And no one with money seems to want to do anything about anything anymore. And people like Tupac that WERE trying to do something, get viewed as the "hardest villain" that ever lived, when that's not what he was trying to be at all.
Quincy Jones was quoted saying:
"If Martin Luther King had died when he were 25, he would have been a struggling baptist priest. Not yet on the national circuit.
If Malcolm X would have died at 25, he would have been a street hustler.
And if I (Quincy) had died at 25, I would have been a struggling trumpet player."

Tupac already had platinum records, was a voice for his community, and was well known for effects he as one person had on America as a whole at the age of 25 when he died. If he had been allowed to live to be 30, 40, 60, 80. He could have done a lot of thinking, a lot of reflecting, and he would have had a lot of wisdom and answers for the world. He was already educated, effective, and talented as a young man. And he was put through more struggle than he should have been. He was just a voice for a community, and he was looked at as a ringleader for gang activity by the highest government officials in America. Just because of his lyrics.

Tupac was better than most people give him credit for. Don't think he's Bishop from Juice, he was someone that should be alive right now.
 
Way tldr but this can surely be discussed in The mega rap/hip hop DISCUSSION thread
Merged, because I see no basic purpose to leave it as it's own thread since scanning through it pretty much just looks like a huge ramble about pac, nigga

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Way tldr but this can surely be discussed in The mega rap/hip hop DISCUSSION thread
Merged, because I see no basic purpose to leave it as it's own thread since scanning through it pretty much just looks like a huge ramble about pac, nigga

Why is there a "Rap Hip-Hop" thread. And no "Biggie/Pac" thread? I believe they are more important to music than they are to just rap and Hip-Hop.
 
Because rap hip hop was there genre, so you can just discuss it in here instead of cluttering up the forum with a bunch of different threads with different topics, that could be merged to induce more conversation between new posters already in the thread and what not, also you're wastin bandwith negro

And I understand your perspective of them being more important to music also while still being rappers and stuff, but why can't you just discuss all those details you want right in this here thread where talking about how biggie or pac were important to music or whatever you'd like about em...
 
Because rap hip hop was there genre, so you can just discuss it in here instead of cluttering up the forum with a bunch of different threads with different topics, that could be merged to induce more conversation between new posters already in the thread and what not, also you're wastin bandwith negro

And I understand your perspective of them being more important to music also while still being rappers and stuff, but why can't you just discuss all those details you want right in this here thread where talking about how biggie or pac were important to music or whatever you'd like about em...

Pac was an activist for the black community. Not just Hip-Hop but Jazz, Rock, Reggae and EVERY other genre that includes fighting for your rights. I honestly think you are thinking way less of Pac than he actually was.
 
^ Totally wasn't

All I'm saying is if you want to discuss him being a hero of the soviet colored people then you can do it in here with other posters, because I seen no real main point of your thread before I merged it

Cool?
 
^ Totally wasn't

All I'm saying is if you want to discuss him being a hero of the soviet colored people then you can do it in here with other posters, because I seen no real main point of your thread before I merged it

Cool?

Lol. Yeah we're cool. But Pac totally WAS an activist and even philosopher.
And I'm not saying I need my own thread, it's fine that you merged it. I'm saying Biggie and Pac need a thread.
 
^ I wasn't necessarily saying we're cool on a poster level or anything lol, I was just making sure it was cool with you since I merged it

But imo they don't need there own thread, you can discuss biggie and pac in here all you want since the thread is titled The mega rap/hip hop DISCUSSION thread

Mostly any and all rap/hip hop discussion can just go in here so we don't clutter up the forum with a bunch of different threads with the gist of each other's topic but with hardly any replies, that's why it works better in here

Got me, g?
 
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